So i really havent watched wrestling for a long time now...

[The Reckoner]

I am sick of that stupid spinner title that orton is carrying around. I think he is a decent heel, decent on the mic, and way more capable than batista in the ring. I am just sick of that goofy ass spin belt title. Cena hasnt held that gold forever but they wont change it because kids are still buying replicas of the stupid thing. Its probably in my top 5 wrestling pet peeves.

[Osbourne Kilminster]

Orton capable in the ring? You're having a right fuckin' laugh, aren't ya? What can he do? A flimsy-looking belly-to-back takedown... stomps... shoulder blocks... his special fuckin' move is about as lame as they come... Oh, but he does have an astonishing ability to lose about 50lbs in a month! So much for the roids, huh?

[The Reckoner]

he has endurance and he does an excellent job of keeping a match going. And as lame as people think the RKO is, i think its turning into one of the better finishers of this shitty wrestling era, due to his snake like approach before hitting it.

Please. Please. PLEEAASSE say that batista is a better wrestler than Orton. Is Orton Ricky Steamboat? Hell no. But u look at some of the other goons the WWE puts the title on and i would take Orton any day. Undertaker, Triple H, HBK are obviously better, but out of this new age crop of wrestlers who is head and heels above Orton that is a main eventer. I will say Edge and Jericho and thats it.

[Tim]

he has endurance and he does an excellent job of keeping a match going. And as lame as people think the RKO is, i think its turning into one of the better finishers of this shitty wrestling era, due to his snake like approach before hitting it.

Please. Please. PLEEAASSE say that batista is a better wrestler than Orton. Is Orton Ricky Steamboat? Hell no. But u look at some of the other goons the WWE puts the title on and i would take Orton any day. Undertaker, Triple H, HBK are obviously better, but out of this new age crop of wrestlers who is head and heels above Orton that is a main eventer. I will say Edge and Jericho and thats it.

wrestlers who have competed for one of the three brand titles that I would consider better than Orton:

Jericho, Edge, Punk, Morrison, Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Triple H, Christian, Jack Swagger, Kane, Taker, Michaels, Brian Kendrick (I know he's buried in the undercard now but he had that one short push back around last summer when he was originally drafted to Smackdown, if only it had lasted!)

There are many, many better people than Orton to put the belt on.  Of course, I suppose I should be happy the title's not on Batista.  Dear god, I hate Batista, most abysmally boring person to ever be on WWE TV, in the ring or out of it.

[Osbourne Kilminster]

They should give Paul Burchill a push. Homeboy represent!

[silas]

Paul Burchill was one of the only reasons I watched wrestling... of course, after the pirate bullshit.  But after midcard hell, I couldn't bear it.

[The Reckoner]

Just another reason i hate the WWE,

They sign TJ wilson (Tyson Kidd) The last known trained wrestler in from the Hart Dungeon, one of the most fabled training facilities of all time. Here is an instant tie to 1) One of the Greatest superstars of All time in Brett Hart, and 2) Probably the greatest wrestler never to hold the WWE championship in Owen Hart.

So what do they do? they take this extremly talented athlete, give him a brutal haircut (it cant be his choice. it just cant) pair him with a mediocre diva and put him on the least watched show of them all in ECW. This kid should be on Raw or smackown either making some type of push to be in ortons stable or getting play at the IC title.

I'm just glad he is playing on the Hart legacy. The kid has some obvious skill, i just wish it was him using the sharpshooter instead of the diva. ugh.

How much more successful would WWE and TNA be if they just went through the internet, found the best ran Efeds, and let them book and run storylines?

[Ryann]

They put TJ with a "mediocre" diva?  Excuse me?  Nattie IS his g/f for one, and far more talented than any diva on the roster, save Mickie and Melina.  And that's saying something for me, considerin' I love Maria and Kelly (who work their asses off to get better).  Nattie has more natural talent than any woman I've seen on any brand.

And, mind me for being the outcast here, but I like Cena.  And if you'd ever bothered to watch his early stuff, before Vince forced him to prepackage himself with 5 moves, you'd know the guy has talent.  Not to mention, I'll have nothing but respect for him because of the night my son met him.  He was amazing to him and made him feel like he was the biggest fan.

As for people I like watching?  There's LOTS, but the top few, Shane Helms, Shannon Moore, Alex Shelley and Sabin.  Most of the X-Division actually...  I have a fondness for SJK, Hero and Danielson (who I went to school with.)

[Spiral]

ECW and Smackdown are both, wrestling-quality wise, beyond RAW at this point.

[Tim]

They put TJ with a "mediocre" diva?  Excuse me?  Nattie IS his g/f for one, and far more talented than any diva on the roster, save Mickie and Melina.  And that's saying something for me, considerin' I love Maria and Kelly (who work their asses off to get better).  Nattie has more natural talent than any woman I've seen on any brand.

And, mind me for being the outcast here, but I like Cena.  And if you'd ever bothered to watch his early stuff, before Vince forced him to prepackage himself with 5 moves, you'd know the guy has talent.  Not to mention, I'll have nothing but respect for him because of the night my son met him.  He was amazing to him and made him feel like he was the biggest fan.

As for people I like watching?  There's LOTS, but the top few, Shane Helms, Shannon Moore, Alex Shelley and Sabin.  Most of the X-Division actually...  I have a fondness for SJK, Hero and Danielson (who I went to school with.)

Cena doesn't really deserve the hate he gets, I agree. I mean, I'm not a fan, but he's actually improved in match storytelling since 2001 when he originally had the five moves of doom.  The guy was pushed relatively young and given the superhero gimmick.  It's not really his fault he was in the main event when he really shouldn't have been.  And also, word says he's excellent with fans, which is something I greatly respect and another one of the reasons why Batista is an abomination that should not be allowed in a ring, apparently he's an ass to his fans, even kids, and even at official signings.  God, I really fucking hate Batista.

The X-division has really gone stale IMO.  I mean , Shelley is no-selling douche.  Sabin is good, but hasn't really improved in five years, which is telling.  Lethal is talented but too young to carry matches on his own yet.  Kiyoshi is meh.  Suicide/Kazarian has always been overrated.  Creed isn't that good.  I mean, what happened to the good ol' days.  Well, Daniels, Styles and Joe are all semi- main eventers (either push them all the way or keep them where they were entertaining please!)  They fired Micahael Shane (Matt Bentley), and they fired Petey Williams.  So wtf TNA? 

Bryan Danielson is probably the best talent to never be in one of the 'major' promotions though, I'll agree with that.